Brevity and Insights.

It’s interesting sometimes how restrictions (in this case a time restriction) can lead to interesting insights.

A friend of mine sent an email yesterday. The short exchange (I was pressed for time) is below pretty much verbatim.

On Wednesday, January 28, 2009,  [my friend] wrote:

>lunch sounds good…
>
>btw, what kinda music software do you use? and what’s good out there
>for mac?

I replied:

I use Digital Performer, Logic, Live and Reason depending on what I am working on.

Reason – Very complete and relatively inexpensive. I believe there is a demo at their site (www.propellerheads.se). Strength: All in one, rock solid, reasonable CPU demands. Cons: Self contained; (To add vocals or external audio tracks have to use it via ReWire with another application.)

Live – Absolutely fantastic. The new Live8 will be even more phenomenal than the amazing Live 7. I discuss the new Live 8 on my blog (scroll down below the “Chinese HipHop” article). You can also get a demo from their site. (www.ableton.com) Pros: Effin’ fantastic program with amazing loop playing capabilities and built-in plug-ins. Cons: Not many.

LogicStudio – Amazing what you get for $499 — loops, plug-ins, industrial strength sequencer. If you were seriously getting into music, this would be perhaps the single best purchase you could make. Pros: AMAZING VALUE; rock solid; industrial strength; lots of included plug-ins and instruments; Cons: Learning curve

Digital Performer – Offers less than Logic as far as plugins and stuff, but a more “traditional” workflow if you’ve used traditional tape-based studios. Also much better at film scoring than any of the other listed here. (www.motu.com) Pros: Solid, mature application; great audio and film scoring tools; Cons: Few plug-ins bundled with application; not as CPU efficient as the other apps.

Hey, don’t overlook GarageBand. Seems like a toy but is really very powerful. And any GB project can be opened in Logic later.

Next Tuesday, Thursday or Friday will work for lunch. Where?

What struck me is how poorly DP stacked up vis-a-vis the other apps in my mind as I wrote this quick, “off the top of my head” round up for my friend. I had to struggle a little bit. Not that DP is bad (I LIKE DP), just that the “energy” around it if you will seems…subdued. That made me reflect a bit.

I believe MOTU is faced with some issues concerning DP.

  • First, the package is seemingly “overpriced” given whats included vis-a-vis LOGIC, Cubase, Sonar, etc.
  • Second, the only magazine that regularly features DP is SoundonSound (www.soundonsound.com). The rest – FutureMusic, ComputerMusic, MusicTech, Keyboard, Electronic Musician, ReMix, etc., rarely if ever feature DP “how to’s” or use DP to illustrate technique. It’s almost always, Logic, Live, Cubase, or Sonar. MOTU should not underestimate how much this frames the mindset of folks coming into the industry.
  • Third, it’s hard to learn about DP. There are not many third party sources of info. The best and nearly only tutorial DVD is from MacAudioLabs. There are maybe TWO other books out there. And that’s it.
  • Fourth, DP’s CPU efficiency just is not “there” when you compare it to the others. Mind you, it’s not terrible — you can get a lot done, and the new pre-render thing helps (if you can make it work for you), but LOGIC and LIVE appear to be more efficient and able to run more plug-ins on a given system.
  • Fifth, and I think this applies to all of the “old line” sequencers ?- DP is stuck in a traditional studio / tape deck / production paradigm. That’s OK, but it would be interesting to see some new capabilities and design philosophy incorporating the potential for user customization/extension and collaboration (ala the new ‘Share’ and ‘Extend’ philosophies of Ableton LIVE).
  • Sixth, DP does not appear to want an active relationship with it’s customers. The company relies on the voluntary efforts of James Steele and his wonderful community over at MOTUNATION (www.motunation.com) to provide significant tech support and mentorship for users. No reason MOTU shouldn’t rely on an active user community, but it seems like they figure MOTUNATION’s existence absolves them of having to interact with, aggresively support, or concern themselves with their user base in any organized and visible way. I don’t think that model works well in the long-term.

Over the last few weeks, I’ve been revisiting LOGIC for different reasons. More on that, and my LOGIC template, next time.

[EDIT 02/04/09: To be fair to MOTU on that last point concerning customer relationships: Apple is no better and is on several measures worse. AT least it IS posiible to get some tech support out of MOTU...]

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  1. found this post after doing a search for motunation looking for anyway to contact the people there. it may be an excellent board, but i was trying to join it and they’ve banned the entire gmail.com domain because of porn spam problems! i’ve never heard of any online organization doing anything so inane. banning an entire set of email users because motunation can’t figure out how to stop spam?? that’s ridiculous. and of course, i can’t contact them to complain (as gmail is my only email address), because you have to register to contact them!! pretty friggin’ ridiculous in my opinion.

    i’ve recently tried to start using dp again. i used to be a major power user of it back in 1999, but then stopped for years. trying to re-familiarize myself with it again now is incredibly frustrating and i’ve been very tempted to dump it for logic or something else. this latest development with motunation has not done anything to alleviate that feeling.

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    • Hi Christopher.

      I didn’t realize that James banned all gmail addresses. That does seem extreme. At the same time, if he hasn’t figured out how to prevent spam, I understand it. I have had 1565 spam comments (most from servers with a “.ru” domain) in the last 6 months. (This is why btw, all comments are moderated.)

      About a thousand of those I had to manually designate as spam. So it became a bit of a morning ritual: Get up grab some coffee go through anywhere from a handful to several dozen comments each day to find the one or two legit entries such as yours. The problem was getting worse and I began to really consider whether or not this blog was worth it. Fortunately I figured out a way to spam things automatically. (But you’ve got a really nice blog, so you must experience this too….Btw, I still need some sort of “CAPTCHA” system for my member list if you have a suggestion.)

      Anyway, I could see James just getting fed up and banning the whole domain. Not the best approach IMHO but he works hard and is unpaid to run that board so…

      As far as dumping DP: I blow hot and cold on it. I’m currently kind of cold. DP has lots of advantages for post-production and seems to be (based on my scant knowledge and experience plus general buzz/consensus) still significantly ahead of LOGIC in that regard. However, DPs performance is increasingly problematic in my view. Other hosts seem much more efficient and stable particularly if you use a lot of virtual instruments.

      As far as LOGIC goes: It is NOT that hard to get your head around, but it is definitely a different way of working compared to DP. Something that helped me tremendously is the set of video tutorials from MacProVideo. I think they even have a set of tutorials looking specifically at using LOGIC for post-production.

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  2. thanks for the response. sorry if i came off as harsh, it was a frustrating day lol. i’ve been very remiss in updating my blog lately, but so far i haven’t had any problem with spam comments on my blog. i use the captcha that comes with blogger, that’s it. you also have to choose a radio button for the type of account you are. you can post anonymously but you have to choose that option, it’s not the default (a google account login is). but i think i’ve had like two spam comments the entire time i’ve had the blog. and i think that was before i enabled the captcha.

    i haven’t played with dp again since i posted here. i finally signed up on the board with an old useless email i had and may have gotten an answer to my problem. still want to make music, but it’s very frustrating not being able to just make music because you have to figure out this crazy program. i was very surprised how confusing to me it was, especially after being such a power user of it years ago. didn’t think it would be that unfamiliar.

    ironically though i work in post-production for film (vfx), i don’t have much need for post work with dp, so i wouldn’t miss that if logic isn’t as strong there.

    thanks again for the response!

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    • No worries. :-) You know, if you are getting back into the DP world, it may be worthwhile establishing a yahoo mail account or something just for that purpose. (Oops. Just noticed you kinda did that!) There’s really no other DP info source like MOTUNATION. A bit of a PIA, but the payoff may be worth it.

      In the meantime, give LOGIC + MacProVideo a shot if you have the time. You might be pleasantly surprised!

      Cheers.

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